K-Roll's Opinion on Porsche's FI Future and Car Enthusiasts[REDUX]

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/19/2015 at 14:35 • Filed to: The future

You read that correctly. I did just say that it's not the end, and it's definitely the start of something new, allow me to explain. I shall try to keep this as organized as possible, but for the sake of effort, every topic will have it's own number.

(I did do a similar post when the news and rumors broke out last year, here's the original below)

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/k-rolls-opinio…

1. Porsche going FI isn't the end of the world for Porschephiles

Why is that, you might say, because it's Porsche. Porsche does something special, that in my opinion, no other company does best right now. They know exactly what they're doing.

Porsche know's how to do technology and improvements without being drastic and crazy about it. They won't be making the next cars better than the current Turbo and Turbo S right off the back. Porsche is very good with incremental improvements and that is what we'll see here. The next cars will probably loose some weight, either keep or raise horsepower, but get a huge bump in torque.

First off, the new 911s will be getting turbocharged versions of the GT3RS engine, albeit detuned for obvious reasons; now we will have 911s with engines designed and built with engines directly from a freaking race car! That's awesome! :)

Second, Porsche's chief engineer, Wolfgang Hatz, has stated that even with the turbocharging, 911s will keep their traditionally high revving motors, unlike Mclaren. He has also stated the 911 will never get the Flat-4, it must stay a Flat-6 for obvious reasons; and personally, I believe he understands the want and desire of a 911 with an N/A feel, so I'm thinking perhaps they'll go a route that sees low pressure turbos tuned to have a power delivery that matches N/A 911s to the best ob their ability, much like Ferrari has done with the California T. So we're not loosing out in the performance or the sound area, which leads me to number 2.

2. The California T and Panamera Turbo S

Just listen to these two cars, don't they sound awesome for FI cars? I think so, and so should you. Why, because this sounds better than a damn electric car. And I'll gladly take this over a silent vehicle where I imagine the only thing I'll hear is road noise...

Porsche is all about engine noises and exhaust notes, I trust them to do something amazing with these engines and their sounds, and we shouldn't knock it at all. At least until we've heard it.

And if it's still a big deal, go out and buy an aftermarket exhaust:

3. Enthusiasts need to get off their high horses

This is probably going to be the point that gets me the most flak, but it's true, and the only people that won't accept it are the ones who know it to be true. I am telling car enthusiasts, myself included, to get the fuck off of their high horses and stop bitching about things in cars that don't go the way they want them to. Why? I'll explain quite easily:

Can you afford this?

Or this?

How about this?

Maybe a couple of these?

Because if you CAN afford any of these, only then do you have the right to bitch and moan about these not or no longer having naturally aspirated engines and having too much technology and shit. The rest of you including myself, and basically everyone save for a small select group of individuals, should essentially shut the fuck up about how "it doesn't have a V8", or "It's loosing something special", and, "N/A 4 Lyfe", because quite frankly, no one important gives a shit.

Who's important, you might be wondering.

1. the people with the money to afford one new, who don't give a shit about your special car heritage rants.

2. Rich people

3. People who only care about the numbers you see on paper and in magazines

4. PEOPLE with MONEY!!

Who are you other people, much like myself who are or were bitching about this?

1. Poor people

2. Broke as fuck

3. The people who would rather find a used version of the car or wait for a used one because they can't afford one new

4. Keyboard warriors who bitch about this shit on the internet other than doing something constructive with their day

5. Will never EVER have the money for one and will most likely die without ever owning one because you could never afford one to begin with because you wasted all your time bitching about it here.

This isn't about car enthusiasts, it may have been a long time ago but it sure as hell isn't now. This is about money and money alone. You think they make cars for enthusiasts, you're wrong, they make cars like these so that rich people will and can buy them as status symbols preaching about power, money and "heritage" they know nothing about; while enthusiast will argue that they'll buy the cars second-hand and not take the depreciation hit and save more money, money that won't go to any of these companies right off the back if ever. They're selling to a specific market of rich blokes, not us poor-ass peasants wanting and waiting to reap the "benefits" and bread crumbles from the floor of the rich dining table.

Also that rich blokes only care about power and 0-60 times as seen in magazines, so automakers comply to these demands for more power by doing what they can, and lets be honest; naturally aspirated engines are on their last legs for making crazy amounts of power without the help of blowers(Hellcats, Shelby's, ect.), and it's nowhere near feasible to drop V12s and big motors in everything, so there's that.

Simply put, car enthusiasts don't run the car market and should simply let the rich people run it because they've got the money to buy whatever the hell they want; and if they really want to do something, get off the computer and go outside and make some damn money! Or just sit at your computer and bitch about this and die knowing you'll never be able to afford one for some reason.

What's my point here:

FUCKING DEAL WITH IT AND ACCEPT IT

That being said, I welcome these new 911s to the world with open arms. On a side note, I hope the Mustang comes with a V6 Ecoboost in the next couple of years!!! :)

And also to never write posts when you're in a dark mood...

DISCUSSION (17)

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 14:44

I'm sure they'll do the best they can with the hand they're being dealt and continue making great cars, but let's be clear, this is a decision they're pretty much being forced to make because of governmental regulations, not one they necessarily want to make (someone from BMW's M division was quoted saying something very close to this).

PS9 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 14:48

Meanwhile in stuttgart...

Kinja'd!!!

Excellent. k-roll is finally on board. Now on to phase two of our plans; BRING ON THE 4 CYLINDER 911s!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PS9
01/19/2015 at 14:55

Chief engineer said that isn't happening .

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 15:04

AND they will be awesome for tuning businesses!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 15:10

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
01/19/2015 at 15:12

I've already read it.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 15:14

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 15:18

I may have to accept it and deal with it, but I don't have to like it.

I just hope there are enough like-minded enthusiasts out there who have the means to vote with their pocketbooks. But that's probably wishful thinking.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
01/19/2015 at 15:22

You don't have to like it, just deal with it.

I for one, will be voting with my wallet when the time comes, but for now, I have to wait.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 15:30

So what if we have the money to buy a new one, and are still a bit miffed about it?

Should we blame the government? Or blame society? Or should we blame the images on TV?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
01/19/2015 at 15:37

If you have the money, complain away, vote with your pocketbook, do what you want.

Sejji > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 16:14

Do you think this will be the final straw that pushes up 996 values? This could be the new demarcation line like the air/water cooled war was.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sejji
01/19/2015 at 16:17

It is. I'm going to find and buy a 996 somehow.

Jayhawk Jake > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 17:44

I was with you until the end.

Wealthy people can be (and in many cases are) car people too. Just because someone isn't bothered by FI doesn't mean they aren't an enthusiast, and being wealthy doesn't mean you are or aren't worthy of passing judgement on cars.

Ultimately though the market really isn't completely to blame, regulations have a big hand in it. Carmakers are required to meet certain averages for gas mileage as part of CAFE programs, and the only way to do that while still getting tons of power for most cars is FI or hybrid systems (or both).

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
01/19/2015 at 17:52

I haven't even read this post yet because I'm too pissed off about the shitty grammar. Holy shit, dude.

EDIT: Ok, now that I've lobotomized myself to read this drivel, I realize that I wasn't missing out on anything as this is yet another 'Kroll emporium of fanboyism'. Could you possibly suck Porsche's dick any harder? Literally all you said was "This is what Porsche is doing, people who think it's wrong are themselves wrong, Porsche are geniuses and I have an insane tendency to overuse commas and misuse apostrophes"

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
01/19/2015 at 18:07

Would you rather have me bitch about how Porsche is wrong and turbocharging is wrong and it's stupid and I hate this and that, like I've done how many times in the past? Because frankly, I'm over it.

Fanboyism? Oh do tell me where it is and all the other fanboyish posts I've made.

My first point was to say that it's alright that Porsche is going the turbocharged route and exactly why I thought so. It's called an opinionated post.

Buy since you're such a smartass, and can't say anything without sounding like a dick, do go on and tell me how I suck Porsche's dick in any more of my posts besides this one, because I'm damn sure this is the first post in which I've said Porsche going FI is alright.

Also, I had a late night studying, it's not like you're grammar is perfect, or do you just have an ego so high that you're compelled to shit on other's posts because of some grammar mistakes. No one's perfect, and you sure as hell aren't either.

In short, you're being a dick with OCD. Fuck off.

Edit: I almost forgot. Being a fanboy, I don't see a problem with that at all. Mr. Buick/GM fanboy, Are you gonna go suck their dicks? I can't recall if you haven't already. I'm also gonna suck Ford's dick while I'm doing that, so go on and take your time.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Jayhawk Jake
01/19/2015 at 18:11

I'm not saying rich people aren't car people, but they are the first people to buy the new vehicles, where as people like us, would more than likely let them take the depreciation hit and purchase a car used.

The market isn't the sole cause I'll agree with that, but you're right to say that regulations(i.e CAFE and EU) are the biggest killers today; especially Europe's emissions laws.